“Yeah, that they came to Ben Affleck. And they said the wife’s on these tapes. So that’s something I can confirm to be fact.”

“He said I asked my partner for an Adderall pill. He handed me the Adderall and woke up 22 days later.”

“Cole is the person who arrested them and put them in the cold.”

“They like to keep memorabilia from these sex escapades. And you know, this is something that’s a lot more common than people think amongst elite parts of society.”

Hey everyone, welcome to another sit-down with Michael Franzese. Hope everybody is doing well. All is very good, very blessed on this end, especially through this holiday season. And as always, I give all the praise, honor, glory, and thanksgiving to our God for that. Diddy in the news every single day we seem to hear something about it. Somebody is making complaints, somebody is talking about it. Just a day or two ago, the assistant US attorney read the indictment. Not pretty at all. A lot of pretty rough allegations in there.

My position as always, you’re innocent until proven guilty. But you know, you start to see some things that pile up and give you cause to say, “What the heck went on there?” It’s not good. We know that. It’s not good. And I think Diddy’s got a handful of issues that he’s got to deal with. I don’t know if he’ll ever be free again. We’ll see.

Who knows what’s going to happen with him. If these powerful people are involved in this and they don’t want this to get out, could it be another Epstein deal? You know, my feeling, I don’t believe Epstein committed suicide. I’ll take that to my grave unless you show me hard evidence to the contrary. I was in that tier. I was in that cell. I know the deal. There’s no way, in my view, that he could have committed suicide.

You know, Trump says he’s going to release the Epstein files. We’ll see. We’ll see who’s on there. Same with Diddy. I think it’s going to go to a lot of people. So, you know, guests get in touch with me, they want to be on, they talk to me. So many people have contacted me about Diddy.

I try to weed through them, who’s telling truth, who’s not. We talked to Suge Knight, you know, some controversy there, but come on, Suge is a street guy, he knew Diddy, he knows the rap industry as good or better than anybody. So, I have to say that he’s credible in a lot of things that he said.

Then I brought Greg on, Greg Kading. He disagreed with some of the things that Suge said, he gave his own perspective on some things. Hey, I put it out there, you let these people talk, and then you agree or disagree, and you take from it what you believe you should. And today I have a guest that I got to tell you, I thought he was the most credible—not the most credible out of everybody, but one of the most credible guests that I’ve sat down with or talked to about this whole Diddy matter.

His name is Big Homie CC. He’s a Chicago boy, born and raised, came from the street, and really has made a good way for himself. He’s a big guy, Big Homie CC. He’s got his own security company, he’s a bit of an entrepreneur, and he’s a bodyguard mostly for females. He likes to be a bodyguard for females because he said they’re easier to protect, and he takes his job very, very seriously. So, he was at three events, three of Diddy’s freak-offs. And so, he has personal knowledge as to how these things were run, and he’s going to tell you about it.

And like I said, I believe he’s very credible. I really do. I really analyze people, I listen to them, I watch the way they carry themselves and the way they talk. I was very impressed with this young man. He’s not that young, he’s younger than me, so anybody younger than me is a young man. But I was very impressed with the interview I had with him. As a matter of fact, so impressed that I talked to him, and you’ll hear it in the interview, about possibly he and I getting together to try to do some good in the city of Chicago where people are killing themselves every weekend.

These young gangbangers, these young street kids are killing themselves every week, every weekend, and it’s gone on since the Obama administration. And I have personally contacted people in Chicago and said, “Listen, I’ll come in and help. These gangbangers, they relate to me and they talk to me. Let’s put something together and stop the violence in the streets.” Nobody responds. They don’t care. Obama, that’s your home city, your hometown. You did nothing during your administration. And nobody has ever since.

Trump, too, I got to say it, but you know, he was thinking about other things. I’m not saying it’s okay, but maybe it’s time that we get into that city and try to stop the violence. Innocent people getting killed every single weekend. So, maybe Big Homie and I’ll get together and do something about that. I have a heart for these young kids. You’ll hear about it. We talked about it.

But again, I think his insight into Diddy and some of the things he says are going to be eye-opening and I believe he’s very credible. That’s my personal opinion and perspective after speaking to him. So, you take what you take out of it, but it’s a very, very good interview. Listen closely to what he has to say. Listen how he analyzes some things. He talks about things, stuff that was put into drinks. And he just talks about a lot. I don’t want to give it away. I want you to hear it from him.

So, without any further delay, here’s my guest. A pleasure to have a sit down with him, Big Homie CC.

“I don’t know if you know recently I had Suge on the phone. And yeah, and he talked a lot about Diddy, what he knew. And some of it was controversial, some of it, but hey, you know what? When I sit down with somebody, they say what they say and I respect that and we take it from there. But you were involved somewhat with Diddy because you were a bodyguard to somebody that went to some of his parties, correct?”

“Yes, sir. That’s exactly how it happened.”

“And were you at a lot of these freak-offs, I guess we got to call them?”

“So, here’s the thing. I only been to three of his events. Now, when the first part of the event is a normal socializing mixer, upscale, the who’s who is there, it’s normal. But when you see the guy come out with the black suit and he’s collecting everyone’s cell phone and then inviting them to another party, which I call it—I say it’s layers to it.

They’re inviting you to another part of the party where everybody cannot go. You see what I’m saying? So, then that’s when discrepancies start to take place.

Because, you know, my business is predicated on protecting women mostly because, you know, you know how dudes are with a lot of money, they can straddle the fence. So, once ladies in the industry know like, oh, you know, he’s got integrity. He can’t be bought, stuff like that. You get booked a lot.

So, one instance I was with a lady and she was on the cover of the Gucci magazine. Beautiful lady. A real runway model. And often times, when you’re doing close protection work for a model, they barely get to eat at all. And when they do eat, they’ll get the nutrients out of it or they’ll chew a grape, but they won’t swallow the grape. They’re trying to maintain their figure. So, you know, one glass of wine to that person, she’s going to get drunk fast. So, my job you got to monitor those things.

And a situation took place where there was a couple of us and it’s four of us total, three ladies, the principal and two buddies. They had a—they sipped something and they started getting sick. And this was the woman you were protecting. You were her security.”

“Yes. Yes. So, you know, my antennas go up. It led to a confrontation because I noticed that certain people knew what was going on. And a guy told me to relax, it’s normal. No, this is not normal. Y’all don’t know who y’all got here today. And it led to a confrontation. I ended up getting hit with a bottle, getting stitches. You know, a couple guys had to go to the hospital, stuff like that.”

“Was it one of—did these bodyguards or one of his security people?”

“Yeah. Yes, some people from his team. But you know, he’s got a team. He’s got a team of people.”

“So, now when you say that this next group of people, this layer of group, did they go to a different location or was it at the same location?”

“Yes, so I ended up going upstairs. So, once this—a open bar, first and foremost. Whatever drinks you want, usually the stuff that he’s contractually obligated to have normally. Any drug or narcotic you want is available. And then you just start seeing groups of sex workers arrive, male, female. And you just start seeing people pairing off and start doing what they do.

And you know, if I’m at one of these events with a male and our principal is a male, you know, I’ll go wait in the car, you know, cuz I look, bro, I’m not here for the swinger party. You feel me?

And then, you know, you don’t want to be the straight guy in a party where everybody else is rainbow because when they start hitting on you, now you’re the jerk. You were the—and you never want to be that guy. You know, you got to be a gentleman at all times. Until it’s time to give visions if necessary.

So, I never directly was paid by him or worked for him. I ended up with some of his events due to my employment. And yeah, man. A lot of strange things take place, for sure.”

“Let me ask you a question. What was the—if you can recall, what was the worst thing or the most off-color thing that you saw happen at any one of these events?”

“Okay. So, when it come to his events, the most off-color thing I saw was—one second, he’s in a suit. Next second, he’s in a towel. And he’s holding hands with two Eastern European gentlemen.”

“When you say he—let me—that’s Diddy. You mean Diddy.”

“Okay. Okay. Yeah, and he’s holding hands with these little vampire-looking guys like they out of the movie Twilight. And you know, I knew I said, ‘All right, now I know what this is. I see what’s going on here.’ You know, it’s time for us to exit. You see what I’m saying? So, by the grace of the good Lord, you know, I was able to remove myself and my principal from there. But, you know, there’s been times where I’ve been with guys and they’re staying.

You know, I had a famous singer tell me one day that he prefers trans ladies because they have stronger hands and stronger jawlines.”

“Who told you that?”

“He’s a singer. His name is Bobby Valentino.”

“Bobby Valentino. Unbelievable. Yeah, so you know, but we grew up we never looked up to these type of people. We always looked up to the gangsters, bro. So, like the gangster guys, my uncles and all them, they would always say, ‘Man, be careful, man. That entertainment stuff is for sissies.’ Stuff like that.”

“Exactly. And you know, so it’s all about perspective. Well, let me ask you this. There’s been some talk that he had some drinks that were laced with something.”

“Lacing drinks in the hip-hop entertainment fashion industry is a big thing.”

“And what do they lace it with?”

“Well, previously it was Rohypnol. And then the onset of—”

“You got to forgive me, homie, but what is that? What is Rohypnol?”

“Rohypnol. You ever heard the term someone got roofied?”

“Oh, yeah. Oh, Rohypnol. Yeah, I’m sorry. Yeah, I got it. Yeah.”

“Rohypnol was like the majority, but you know, whenever you see guys doing a lot of cocaine, then scopolamine is going to be around. And scopolamine, you know, once you’re dosed with scopolamine, a person can take you to the ATM machine, they can say, ‘Empty your ATM machine. Empty your account.’ You’re going to empty the account out, give away all your furniture. You have no control of yourself until the wear is off. And there’s usually permanent neurological problems that come from being dosed with scopolamine.

So, Rohypnol and scopolamine is something I was always leery of, for sure.”

“Do you know if that ever happened at a Diddy party?”

“So, I will say this. There are a lot of people in my inbox who are on active indictments toward him who are alleging that this took place. So, you know, recently he came under scrutiny because of liquid GHB. Now, liquid GHB in a small amount can incapacitate you. Lowers your heart rate to the point where someone may think you’re asleep or dead, but you’re really not. So, there are people in the indictment saying that he squirted them with baby oil and they passed out.

And in my thinking, the only reason you would want to do that is to take advantage of somebody, whether it be sexually or any other way. What I’ve grown to understand is any man who does ecstasy for longer than two or three years, they start to become a sexual deviant.

This guy, Combs, been doing ecstasy for twenty years. And now when he was arrested, he was arrested with a substance called Tootsie, which is ketamine, ecstasy, cocaine mixed, and is dyed to be pink.”

“Yes. So, that’s the pink cocaine that now everybody’s talking about.”

“Well, he was arrested with this while being under federal indictment and being monitored. So, that goes to show that there’s definitely addiction involved. There’s definitely a drug aspect involved as well.”

“Let me ask you this, did you ever hear of cyanide being mixed in any of these drinks?”

“Now, see, whenever people mention cyanide, I’ll get uncomfortable because over a period of six years, I had pneumonia three times, right? So, on the final time, my mom takes me to the hospital, they get a toxicology report done. I test positive for cyanide. The way cyanide metabolizes in a human body is after a certain amount of dosages, it turns into pneumonia. Kim Porter, his ex-wife, died from pneumonia. I heard that. His ex-bodyguard recently, a few months ago, just died from pneumonia.

And when I first started speaking out about this, there were no podcasts. It’s like 2013. There are no podcasts. Social media is really just starting to get ingrained in society. So, people told me I was crazy, said I was a hater. But, I work hand-in-hand with law enforcement in my career path.

And, you know, they tested my car. My car handles tested positive for cyanide. So, you know, I don’t think a person would use cyanide directly at a party. But cyanide is around. I tested positive for it. I got my toxicology report to this day.”

“And let me ask you, why would somebody put cyanide in somebody’s drink? What would that kind of behavior cause?”

“So, you feel like you got the flu. You feel sick. You want to isolate yourself from everyone. And the lungs, you’re coughing up mucus. Throughout history, cyanide poison was a way people got away with murder before the onset of more better technology for testing for certain toxins and stuff like that. Cuz, you know, cyanide used to be in rat poison. So, you know, there’s all type of cold case files. This person poisoned her husband over a series of weeks with rat poison. He died from pneumonia. You know, where there’s smoke there’s fire.

I’m not a conspiracy theorist. I don’t invent or embellish. I’m only going to speak on things I can verify to be facts and, you know, I definitely tested positive for the cyanide. I had pneumonia three times. I basically got one lung now because of—”

“Really? So, but this didn’t occur at a party for you. I mean, it wasn’t you didn’t take a drink at one of Diddy’s parties and maybe the cyanide was in one of those drinks.”

“No, see because, you know, I have already been privy to certain things. So, you know, there’s footage of me with a bottle of champagne in my hand that I brought with me while I’m with models and stuff like that because, you know, it’s a scary feeling, bro, like when you go look at somebody and tell they’ve been compromised and you can’t really explain why. So, once me and my team have experienced Rohypnol on our own, we said we could never let this happen again.

So, we invented some new protocols, you know, if a bottle get brought to a section, if it’s opened already, you got to send it back. You know, we would travel with a portable test kit with us. You know, all type of—if people are paying you to protect their life, you know, you got to use every tool that’s available to you.”

“Well, you know, again without making any definite allegations or pointing fingers, it is kind of—it makes you think why Kim Porter would have died of pneumonia when Diddy is putting everything else in drinks. I’m not saying he did it. We don’t know that. But it just raises eyebrows. You got to kind of think about it, you know. Why did that happen? And she was relatively young, Kim. I mean, she was a young girl. It’s not normal that you die of pneumonia at that age. It’s not normal. It’s just not normal.

And you know, some of the other substances that we mentioned, you know, people will still start partying off of that. You don’t want to party. So, you know, you almost get a feeling like, man, something’s wrong here. But you’re not going to think that somebody’s poisoning.

You’re not going to think that, you know? But it definitely happened to me, so and like in the work that I do to combat human trafficking, you know, I’ve had bounties on my life, you know, I’ve had the FBI showing up telling me, yeah, we got information, you know, by law they got to tell you. Had those situations, you know? So, you know, you just kind of get accustomed that you know what you signed up for. So, you know, you just try to take as many steps possible to mitigate risk and hope for the best. Be vigilant.”

“Well, let me ask you this. Usher was quite outspoken. He gave me names. He said that he mentioned Obama. He said Obama and Diddy were close friends. He even indicated they had a relationship, sexual relationship together. Obviously, he spoke about Justin Bieber and Usher and all that. Is there anybody that you feel you can talk about that was at these parties or affected by anything?”

“Well, so I am aware that Leonardo DiCaprio has a lawsuit coming up against the Busby lawyer because so, right now what’s happening is so, you know, when they initially raided Combs’ home, they did not inform the raiding officers whose home they were going to raid. I didn’t know that. Right. So that right there goes to show that—I don’t know. This guy have a lot of reach. He could be somebody that’s been cooperating previously.

So once they got their hands on that footage, you know, there’ve been laws passed for revenge porn and stuff like that. You can’t sell someone’s tape without them approving it. So, from my sources, some other close protection operatives, there are a lot of A-list stars right now who are doing what they can to prevent certain footage from coming out.

One thing Suge Knight said that I could confirm to actually be facts because I know this gentleman’s part of his security team. Yeah, that they came to Ben Affleck. And they said, ‘The wife’s on these tapes.’ So that’s something I could confirm to be facts.”

“Jennifer Lopez?”

“For sure. That I can confirm.”

“On the tapes meaning that you mean maybe video tapes, footage, whatever it is they confiscated there?”

“Yeah, because whenever I meet people like Combs, they like to keep trophies. They like to keep memorabilia from these escapades. And you know, this is something that’s a lot more common than people think amongst elite parts of society. Cuz like, you know, once a rich guy realizes that wait a second, no one’s going to tell me no, it depend on how you’re raised and your moral compass and what you believe in, I’ve seen a lot of guys get off the handle, man.

I’ve seen Combs scream, ‘Say I’m a savage. If I want it, I’m going to have it. I don’t accept no for an answer.’ That let me know what I need to know because, you know, I’ve done security for certain guys and, you know, you show up to their house unannounced and he’s in a mascot outfit.

And on the floor with somebody else in a big teddy bear outfit and they dry on the floor. They call themselves furries. You know, you’ll see a millionaire guy he gets off by being in a furry costume. You just never know what people are into. This guy revealed what he’s into.”

“When you say Leonardo DiCaprio, he’s got a lawsuit against BuzzFeed because of something that they said with him regarding Diddy?”

“Yeah, so the guy BuzzFeed referenced that he has stills of a sexual encounter between Combs and an A-list celebrity with a much higher status than Combs. So, it’s—”

“Yeah. I got you. I got you. Let me ask you this. Heard something about Jamie Foxx possibly being involved with Diddy and on the wrong side of it. You know anything about that?”

“So, you know, bro, I seen Foxx with Combs on several occasions at different events. Now, Jamie Foxx’s family are the ones who reported Diddy to the FBI when Jamie Foxx went into the coma initially. Really? So, that’s how that all came about. His daughter, Corinne, and his mom were the ones who did that. And when people come and they ask Jamie on the street, he doesn’t deny it. So, you know, at the end of his comedy special on Netflix, at the live taping, he said out of his mouth that Cole was the person who put him in a coma. He said, ‘I asked my partner for an Ambien. He handed me the Ambien. I woke up twenty-two days later.’

Yeah. Now, if you somebody knowing that, look, I got a diamond pendant, I might start cleaning up my surroundings. You know how that go.”

“Yeah. And let me ask you this, what would be the purpose—and this I’ve heard many times—that Diddy had people sign NDAs when they came into the party, which if there was criminal activity going on, the NDA doesn’t mean anything. And Diddy should have known that, but what do you think his purpose in that was? Just to try to get into people’s head that you can’t talk about this?”

“Well, you know, Michael, I’ll tell you. Non-disclosure agreements at celebrity who’s who parties is something that’s taking place on a daily basis. Been taking place like that for years simply because I know for a fact that in Combs’ NDA, you can’t say anything about what you seen or partook in at the party until twenty years after he’s dead.

And so, you know, like how do you get somebody to do a big favor for you? Invite them over, show them a time of their life. You got them on camera doing something they’re not supposed to do. You put that call in for that favor. ‘Hey, buddy. Remember that day we were—I really need to get this person right here signed to this person.’ Or ‘I really need to get this person to stop speaking on that radio channel about me negatively.’ That’s how it happened.”

“Let me ask you—one of the questions I had is how does this go on for twenty some odd years? And the reason I say that maybe there’s a little—I don’t want to say resentment, that’s not the right word, but in my former life the FBI was on us 24/7. We were like—I mean, I was indicted seven times. I was arrested eighteen times. I went to trial five times. I had two federal racketeering cases, one state. They were on me constantly. And look, I was a criminal, you know, I was doing what I was doing, but I wasn’t doing these kind of parties or anything like that. What I’m saying is how does this go unnoticed or unbothered, I would say, for twenty years?

So, my first reaction is this guy must be an informant. He must be doing something with the government. Just is my thought. I have nothing to back that up until Suge said to me that Diddy’s been an informant for years. Right. Right. What’s your thought on that?”

“Okay, so my thoughts on this is this. In your situation you were making millions. And they couldn’t really prove that you was doing it illegally. So, they were out to prove that you were doing it illegally. You’re exactly right. With Combs, they know how he’s making his millions. So, it’s like okay we’re not going to be able to go after him for taxes. We’re not going to be able to go after him for operating a criminal syndicate that’s doing racketeering as their source of income.

And then you’re operating in a network of people where, you know, he was the middle man. He’s the party guy for the guys who really got the money. Because none of these problems started for him until he went after the liquor company that owned Ciroc. We all thought he was part owner of Ciroc.

The moment he won that lawsuit, shortly after that he sold Revolt TV. Revolt TV was his baby. It’s his own network. He worked hard on that. So when I saw he sold that to his buddy, I’m like, ‘All right now. He just got word—just came down they’re coming after him.’

Because got those big corporations, you know, you got five or six, you probably got two billionaires, couple hundred millionaires on a board of directors. On Combs’ board of directors it’s just him. Nobody on his board of directors is going to be of real affluence to the point where they can really go and donate to a presidential campaign or something like that. So, Combs felt like he was bigger than the program.

And once he demonstrated certain activities, you know, it led to his demise because the human trafficking division in the United States is a small group. So that’s why after Combs went down, you seen the guy Reese from Abercrombie, you see what happens down in by Disneyland. They’re working hand in hand with other groups of law enforcement to combat this. You know, it’s an $11 billion a year industry. People want to blame the majority of it on the five percent of celebrity culture. It’s not—that’s not the majority that’s making the purchases. You can sell a kilo one time. You can sell a kilo a hundred times.

So, once they was able to see that he violated interstate commerce laws by flying underage people on planes for sex and stuff like that, that led to his demise. And then once he was off the street, people feel safe now. He’s a dangerous person. He’s not a pushover. His name’s associated with murders, various assaults, explosives in someone’s vehicle. Feds say they got him actively while out while under indictment calling witnesses, trying to get them to change their story.

They told him, ‘You can stay on the street as long as you’re not calling witnesses and your private jet is in two different states.’ This guy standing on the street with a sucker. Then a group of young girls, they excited to see him. Then that plane came to New York. They picked him up immediately.”

“I mean, you think he’s going to stand up in all of this? Do you think he’s going to cooperate? Do you think he’s going to give up some of these big names?”

“Yeah, you listen, I’ll tell you this, homie. I was in the exact same prison on the same—it should be a jail, rather. I was in the jail where Epstein was. I was on that tier. I was in those cells. There’s no way in my mind that you’re going to commit suicide. No way. You can’t do it. They’re watching that tier all the time.

The cameras are on. For everything to go off at one time, it would still be hard for him to commit suicide because there’s nothing there. There’s nothing on the ceiling. The bed is this high. You couldn’t do it.

So, my point is, you know, I think they got rid of Epstein. I’ll swear to that. I don’t know what’s going to happen with Diddy. It’s listed in the Epstein investigation that on the day that he died, the cameras were not working on that tier. Right. You know what that mean. Absolutely.

And I don’t feel like the average American understands how cheap the price of life is, man. Combs, they said that 1,000 bottles of baby oil, allegedly some of the bottles tested positive for liquid GHB. So, if we do the math on that, 1,000 bottles, eight ounces, what’s that? Fifty-four pounds of GHB? Mandatory life sentence. $58 million bail package denied.

All of the prosecutors on that case are women. We also seen the mayor, Eric, get indicted. SBI was trying to save face before the election to not get disbanded. So, they did what they did, racked up some big cases, locked some people up.

Combs is going to have to give up people if he ever wants to see light of day again. He’s facing several life sentences. And he don’t have murders he can give up. But if he does, he will. So, January 20—what was it? Trial start May 5th? Yeah. We going to see some interesting things start to take place but before then. Did you see they come in seized his notes? He get a little win at court. They got to destroy the notes they took. He wants to change his jail because he knows he can get Epstein’d in there.”

“Yeah, you know, my thinking is he either disappears meaning some kind of accidental death. Number one, number two, he cooperates and gives up somebody that law enforcement might think is more important than him. Or he goes to jail forever. I mean, it’s going to be—I don’t see him standing up. Let’s put it this way. I don’t see that at all.”

“I don’t see that either because why would you as a billionaire need automatic rifles with defaced serial numbers? Why would you need that? You’re doing things you’re not supposed to be doing. And I feel like there is another criminal drug dealing element that they’re working on because when they first stopped this plane, they arrested his mule. And then when they arrest you again, you still got a drug zone. You operate—that’s operating like somebody who’s been cooperating.”

“So, Suge saying that he’s been cooperating is not too far off in your opinion.”

“Not too far off at all. Not too far off at all because Keffe D is in the Las Vegas—is it Clark County right now? And he’s saying Diddy the one paid us to kill Tupac. Really? Yeah, he did say that. Yeah. Saying, you know, allegedly the feds have a list of people that he’s responsible for their demise. They also said they have him on camera at his residence assaulting a male sex worker. How out of control are you? You paid this person to come here to have sex.

I know a dude, bro, personal. Well, he said he’s out to eat with Combs, his sons, and some other people. And the topic came up, ‘How much money would it cost for you to suck a penis?’ He said, ‘Man, at least 100,000.’ He said to me, he said, ‘Combs said 100,000? Right now? You would do it.’ He said, ‘Man, I was just playing.’ But he said Combs wasn’t playing. Guy is a deviant without a doubt. Absolutely.”

“Absolutely. You know, it’s amazing. As much as I’ve seen and been through in my life and witnessed, I don’t understand how somebody gets this crazy and out of control.”

“I’m telling you, it’s the ecstasy. Got to be. Brother, I promise you. I distinctly remember what the streets of Chicago were like before everyone was taking ecstasy on the weekend. Then it went to now people is using this as a daily habit. Guys I thought were upstanding was getting caught with trans people. I’ve seen this firsthand. I remember what the streets was like before the internet. I remember before the pills became a thing it definitely played a role for sure.

And like, you know, and I always say this, like a man who’s not raised with some sort of gangster principles only thing he really has to believe in is his wants and needs. You know, being in your position and being in my position where you want to form a leadership, you know, there’s certain things you know you can’t do.

Because, you know, they call me Big Homie. You got to earn that. So, you know, I can’t be doing the same thing the little homies is doing. When they in the living room talking to the females, I’m in the room with the door closed because then now the lines get blurred. Are you one of us or are you our leader?

That’s why when you see Combs, the people that’s coming after him was always everyone’s younger than him. There’s nobody older than him. The people who could have really combatted him have died under strange circumstances.

You know, this is the only industry we see where people have interns, still come work for years for free for the thought of having a big career. You can’t be an intern at Walmart. It’s all about taking advantage of people. That’s why I’ve been going back and forth with these people for years, man.”

“Let me ask you change of gears a little bit. R. Kelly, you grew up with him, right?”

“Grew up around him for sure.”

“Yeah. What kind of guy? He’s got his hands full now, for sure.”

“No. Listen. I swear on my mother. I never liked this dude. The people in my family and my church, they would say, ‘Why they bringing this all to him?’ They were saying this years ago. You know, I know dudes who took their daughter to him for voice lessons. He go pick his daughter up. He got $50,000 cash with him now. That’s the thing, bro. Like these people all were getting enabled in different areas. You know, like in my family, people knew.

When it come to my little cousins, my aunties, they knew like, man, there’s going to be heinous consequences for you if you decide that you want to try to oppress any of these people right here. These guys, they hire security. They feel invincible. You know just like I know that in certain organizations, there rules.

And I heard you say something before that you say they’ll never get me in a room again. These guys don’t have that. Nobody can call them into a room. And it could be graveyard consequences. They don’t have that. They operate underneath that and they got unlimited money and everybody want to be a celebrity.”

“Yeah, the problem, homie, they’re not accountable to anybody but themselves. And that’s a big problem. And accountability, as you know, is very important in life. You have to have accountability whether it be to your faith, your boss, yourself. Without it, there’s no rules, and eventually you’re going to go down. You’re going to get in trouble for it. And that’s what happened. I think Diddy did the same thing. He was accountable to nobody. At least he thought he wasn’t until it catches up with you. Until it’s just too late.”

“Yeah. And you know, Dapper Dan said that he grew up with Combs’ parents. And he said what’s going on with Combs didn’t start with Combs, it started with his parents. Really? That’s what Dapper Dan said. So got to keep all these things in mind, man. Like I never harm nobody who didn’t deserve it. You know, I stand by that. People coming out saying that he ruined their life. As men, we can choose our actions, but we cannot choose our consequences. So right.”

“But you got very interesting background. I think we both do, different ways, but very interesting. I understand you knew about me before this call.”

“Yes, yes, for sure, for sure. So, you know, growing up in the inner city of Chicago, Italian culture, Sicilian culture, those type of things are very prevalent in the city. Yes. And especially from the omertà aspect of operating in the underworld of sorts, you know, a lot of Chicago black street organizations mimicked and modeled themselves based off what they seen you guys doing, mostly on a theatrical standpoint, though.

In other words, you were influenced by some of the movies about our life and some of the characters that you might have bumped into or seen on the street in Chicago, cuz Chicago is one of my favorite cities, have a lot of friends there, and obviously we had a big presence in Chicago, as you well know.”

“Well, for sure. And you know, I’ve had some interactions with some actual figures from that lifestyle. So, you know, in my community, bro, like a lot of things we did, you know, we considered it mob style, mafioso type activity. So, you know, definitely honored to be here. Thanks to my boy Reese for locking this in. And I did my ten thousand hours of research for sure.”

“Well, homie, let me ask you this because this is something that’s been bugging me for a while with Chicago. All of this stuff that’s going on there, all of this gang warfare, it’s disappointing and frustrating to me that nobody has gone in there and tried to clean it up. When I say clean it up, a lot of stuff, you know, with these young guys in the street, they’re just uninformed, uneducated, and nobody’s paying attention to it, and people are dying on a weekly basis there.

What do you think, and you know, having come from there and some experience there, how do we help those young men? How do we help clean that up so people are not dying every weekend?”

“Very profound question. So, here’s the thing. There used to be leadership and infrastructure with all street gangs in Chicago. There was a time when I remember when you needed permission if you were going to go shoot somebody. You needed permission. If you wanted to commit a murder, it had to be sanctioned. People had to approve of such.

So, throughout the process where law enforcement had this war on drugs, a lot of the infrastructure and leadership was removed. So, it just left madness. Then what—certain gentrification took place, project housing was torn down, then they moved those families into the south suburbs. So now you got people operating on a certain mentality getting moved throughout the city, which just led to nonsense and madness because it’s blood feuds.

And in Chicago, people believe in an eye for an eye. You know, in a lot of other cities, like I don’t care what your race or nationality is. If you are born and raised in Chicago, you’re going to have a little bit more proficiency to get violent with somebody if disrespect has occurred and stuff like that. So, the lack of leadership—you definitely should be able to send people in to try to mediate these blood feuds. They do it in Europe all the time.”

“And why do you think that nobody’s tried to do that? You know, I a while ago, I think about a year and a half ago, I sent a message to some people at Black Lives Matter. And I said, ‘Listen, young people are getting killed there every weekend, innocent people, too, in these drive-bys or whatever.’

I said, ‘I’m willing to go in. I have some influence. I’ve spoken to a lot of these gangbangers. They happen to listen, you know, they pay attention at least when I’m talking to them, but obviously then you have to have follow up and help these guys. You can’t just talk to them once and run out of there.’

What would you say would be a way to try to get to these kids and get this stuff—and I call them kids, I know young men is maybe what I should say—and get to them and make them stop? How would you attack or approach that?”

“So, you know, it’s going to take the faces of the culture in order to even make a attempt or make a dent in what’s going on. So, you know, you’re right. Most of them are kids. You got guys committing murder before they have—you got guys getting life sentences as virgins. So, in Chicago, the reverence that comes with your reputation if you’re known to be a killer, people are choosing that over being someone who gets a lot of money because it’s a lot harder these days to make money out the street.

So, I was born into certain affiliations and I’ve got a certain reach. So, I got programs that I sponsor to try to help at-risk youth and stuff like that. So, we definitely can set it up where people from your crowd, my crowd, we can get together and we can go into neighborhoods and directly negotiate for peace. It can be done. I’ve partaken in it. But it is going to take people like yourself. It’s going to take people like myself.

But like you just said, they’ll listen, but they’re going to listen to people who they feel like is of cloth like they are. Because ninety percent of what’s going on, bro, is based off mafia movies and books. Guarantee that. So, like the fact I’m able to speak to you in this dialogue, this is going to be interesting today, for sure.”

“For sure. Well, let me tell you I’ll just put this out there and I mean it because I’ve been speaking to these youngsters now for God, ever since I was in prison, back in the ’80s and ’90s. And I really have a heart for them. If there’s any way that you feel that we can put something together, that I can be and contribute in some way, I’d be willing to do that because this is going on for years. I mean, every weekend and it’s like it’s being ignored. And nobody wants to get to the root issues and say, ‘Well, how do we get these kids out of this mess that they’re in?’”

“There have to be options provided for the youth. Exactly. So, you know, there’s some things we can do on that aspect of things. And then at the same time, hip-hop music definitely was an influencer for it to incite violence because, you know, a guy go make a diss song dissing his enemies. A record label will see he’s doing numbers, come give this kid a million bucks. And what is he going to do? He’s going to continue. They’re not going to install mentorship because I played pro football first before I started my security business.”

“Did you?”

“And you know, they put people along your path to help guide you on some proper way. And then you’re also—this is the era of the crack babies children that are running amok. Cuz I remember growing up in the ’90s in Chicago, and it was the same thing, in my opinion. But the internet and availability for instant media is definitely putting the spotlight on it. And you know, it’s Chicago bro, but they believe let the animals kill themselves each other. That’s why you’ll see so many unclosed cases.”

“That’s so interesting what you just said. It just even hit me that this is the era or the time of crack babies that have grown up now. You know, it’s terrible to think of that, but you know, what chance do these young men have? You know, they grow up like that, they don’t know anything better.

But you see, you’re so right in one thing. Many years ago, I think it was in 1998, I was working with Major League Baseball and I was speaking to athletes about gambling and about associations that they have, trying to keep them out of trouble. I’ve been doing that for almost thirty years now.

But I was with Major League Baseball and they asked me to come to a juvenile hall in Florida and speak to some of the young kids in there. So I said, ‘Okay.’ They said, ‘Well, we’ll give you a half an hour.’ I said, ‘A half an hour? What am I going to do in a half an hour?’ I said, ‘Give me some time.’

So I went in there. PS, I was there for three hours. They let me go. And it was about maybe fifteen kids and I seen that I really got to them. They were around me and we were talking asking questions. It was one of the greatest experiences I had. It was one of my first. I spoke to a lot of young ones in prison, but this was a whole group. But when I got out of there, I said, ‘You know what? I just did these young men a disservice.’

And they said, ‘What do you mean?’ I said, ‘There’s nothing else I can do for them.’ I just talked to them. I get them on a high and then I leave and they go back to the grind. I said, ‘That’s not right.’ I said, ‘We have to have a follow-up program so that if I’m giving them this information, we can now send them someplace or we can participate with something that can give them help and get them out of the situation that they’re in.’

And I swore from that point I wouldn’t talk to anybody unless I knew I can send them to a program where there’s people behind me that can help them and that’s what I’ve done for the past several years. There’s different places around the country, especially when they’re going with a church. They have programs in place where they can help these young men, but anyway, listen, keep that in the back of your head, homie. I mean that. If there’s anything that we can do—”

“Hats off to you, first and foremost, for even—you don’t have to do those things. So definitely hats off to you for that. And y’all got the full infrastructure set up. I got a grant writer. I got investors. Look who TV they got a documentary going on. I can definitely tap you in with Brian Cooper, the executive producer for that. We going to work on this. You count me in. After we do this and you know, maybe December, January we get together. I’ll come into Vegas. We’ll sit down and we’ll plan something out. I really love to get involved and help if I can.”

“Big salute to you, Michael. That means a lot cuz it’s been an uphill battle but you’re able to see things from a different perspective than the average person because you’ve been behind the wall, you’ve been on the street, you made money, you know what it’s like not to have money and so you’re able to communicate on different levels than the average guy can. So, I’ll put some stuff together. We going to work on this for sure. You got my word.”

“All right, brother. You got it. All right, switching gears. So, first of all, you said you played for the NFL. What team?”

“Cleveland Browns, Chicago Bears.”

“Oh, man. Practice squad, huh? Enjoy it?”

“Say it again?”

“Did you enjoy it?”

“Absolutely. I’ll be honest with you. I was over football by the time I got to about sophomore year of college. There is no NIL, you know, your body’s getting banged up, and I was never a slouch mentally. So, I had little businesses running and stuff like that. So, what it was—I’ll send you from when the Bears sued me for breach of contract because once I was done where I was done, then they called me, ‘Michael, are you in shape?’ I’m like, ‘Sure, I’m in shape.’ So, they wired the money.

I showed up to camp overweight, blow the physical. had to pay them back three payments of $33,000. So, whatever. I took the money, started my business, and they didn’t sue me till 2018. So, it worked out well for me.”

“Oh, hey, sometimes you got to do what you got to do, right? They can afford it. They can afford it. It’s okay. All right, these guys got a billion.”

“Yeah, hell yeah. Hell yeah.”

“Well, listen, this was very interesting. I’m going to tell you this, homie. I’ve sat down with a lot of people, and I really mean that, some people of substance over the years on these sit-downs that I have. I got to say I believe you are one of the most honest and insightful guys that I’ve ever sat with.”

“That means a lot to me. That means a lot to me. Thank you, sir.”

“I really mean that, and very intelligent. Just the way you express yourself, and it’s admirable. I really commend you for that. And for the way you—”

“Means a lot. Means the most, for sure.”

“And I see you’re a man of principle. Some of the things that you said, I listened very carefully to people, you know. Definitely, definitely. You got good principle about you, and I appreciate that, and I hope that we can do something together, you know, to help some of these kids.”

Okay, so there you have it. I hope you were as impressed with Big Homie as I was. I believe again, he was very credible. I love the way he comes across. He’s very intelligent. He explains things so you can understand it. He was at three of these freak-offs. He didn’t like what he saw. He represented—or I should say he was a security for a couple of actresses. He didn’t want to mention their name. That’s okay. I don’t push my guests. If they don’t want to mention, they don’t mention. But he was definitely there. There’s no question.

What he said about the drinks being spiked, what he said about Diddy—I mean, listen to what he said about Diddy. Not good. And some of the other people. Listen to what he said about Ben Affleck being told in advance after the raid on Diddy’s house that there were videotapes, I believe he said, with Jennifer Lopez on them.

And I was told, I don’t know if this is true or not, but I’m going to put it out there. I was told that that was one of the real reasons that Ben Affleck went through the divorce with Jennifer Lopez. He didn’t like what he heard about what happened with her on those tapes.

I don’t know if it’s true or not. That’s what I heard, and I think I heard it from a credible source. So, you know, we’ll see what happens. But there’s going to be a lot of people that are going to be held accountable, I believe. What’s going to happen in the end? I asked him if he believed that Diddy would be an informant. And he said most likely.

You know, maybe he has been. Suge said he’s been an informant for a long time. You know why I tend to believe that? How do you get away with this for twenty years? How do you get away with it? Twenty years.

I mean, come on. We couldn’t get away with that for twenty days before they’d be all over us with investigations. It wouldn’t last. When I say we, I mean when I was on the street. So, there’s something here that’s just not right. And you know what? I really hope it comes out. Cuz if there’s human trafficking, if Justin Bieber got abused and was taken advantage of like he did and so many others. If you had to sign an NDA to get in there because he wanted to have something on you later on after he had the videotape on you and he can control you.

If this stuff was going on, it needs to be put out in the open. People have got to—there’s got to be a stop to this kind of stuff. Innocent people are getting hurt.

And I got to tell you this, you know, again, I go back to my mob days. Yeah, we did a lot of damage to each other at times. We had wars, three wars in the Colombo family through my lifetime. But we tried—it was internal stuff that we agreed to do. It doesn’t make it right. I’m not saying it’s right. I’m not justifying it. But we didn’t go after and target innocent people. Now, whether you believe that or not is up to you. We didn’t do that. Did it happen on occasion? Yes. But this is not what we tried to do on a daily basis. This wasn’t the basis of our existence. It wasn’t.

But when you get a guy—if these allegations about Diddy are true, I mean, come on. Come on. This is bad stuff. It’s really bad stuff and people need to be held accountable for this. And if we have some big names out there that were involved in this and that are now trying to cover it up, I hope it comes out in the open. I really do. And I hope it stops. Cuz some of these undercurrent things that are going on in Hollywood are just not good.

So, take this for what you feel it’s worth. I think again, it was very credible. I think it was a great guest. We’ll do something possibly again in the future. Hopefully helping out the people in the city of Chicago. Maybe we can start a platform to do something there. We’ll talk about it. We’re going to meet him in Vegas. I’m here in Southern California. I got business in Vegas, so we’ll see what happens.

That’s it for today, my friends. How do I always leave you? Same way. Not going to change. Be safe. Be healthy. God bless you, your families, your loved ones, your community, your neighborhood. God bless America.

Yes. I’ll see you next time. Take care. Woo!